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here we go in five four three two all

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right everyone welcome back this is

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Martin Willis with podcast UFO my guest

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is James T Abbott we're talking about

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the outsiders

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guide to UFOs and a lot more and so I

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asked you to hold that thought did you

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hold the thought yeah sure about Ray

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poutier and the sighting over the

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Channel Islands yeah that one has always

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fascinated me I remember that there were

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two it was a small plane probably a twin

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twin engine plane going over the channel

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and I think there were two people on the

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seated in the back were or there were

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more than two people do you remember

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carries about 12 passengers the Islander

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Islander as they were called in those

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very old fashioned in the sense that the

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pilot was completely open to the

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passengers the cockpit was their

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passengers sat just behind them like at

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a very old-fashioned aircraft and they

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don't build him anymore but they still

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use some of them and yeah he spotted

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this yellow thing over the Channel

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Islands and so did his passengers so did

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people on the ground and so at the end

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of the sighting did another plane a jet

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stream coming in to Jersey which was

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another Channel Island he was coming in

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from a slightly different direction

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I mean they were saying that these

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things were there were two of them and

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they were probably around half a mile to

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a mile in diameter or lengths or

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whatever you care to call it and they

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just sat there for the entire duration

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of the sighting rabo has since given

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lots of talks about that but he is still

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baffled by the whole thing and so is the

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British CAA the Civil Aviation Authority

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yeah I love I love those type of

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sightings so there's Jay Al I can't

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remember the number the but pilot

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sightings to me are really pretty solid

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you know because they know what the you

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know they know what aircraft are for the

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most part they're good good observers I

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believe her yep I think in it

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credibility is an issue that I find very

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interesting because the the whole thing

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about UFOs is about the credibility of

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the people who see them because we have

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nothing else we have no other evidence

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but the evidence of people's eyes and

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even where we have video a lot of the

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time the video is some his jerky and

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fairly poorly shot because people are

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having to do it in the rush of course

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and the the the net effect is that we

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only have these people's word for what

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they see most and the fact is that when

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you talk about anything to a person who

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is temperamentally unwilling to to think

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about the subject they always say to you

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people can make mistakes everybody makes

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mistakes and even pilots make mistakes

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police officers make mistakes but the

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point is you cannot then write off every

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single UFO sighting as worthless simply

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because you've proven or partially

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proven anyway that people make mistakes

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if that was the case then not a single

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criminal case would ever be solved

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because the police wouldn't be able to

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rely on witness evidence

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the fact is that we do if two or three

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people say that they saw something

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happen we we take that seriously in the

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police look into it but if they then go

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on or somebody else comes into the room

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police officer from you know America and

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think well yeah then that's pretty

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credible because this guy is a trained

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observer he knows what he's talking

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about and he's used to to dealing with

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incidents where observations are very

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important and that's the same with

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pilots and okay yet they can make

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mistakes but every single pilot and

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every single sighting I don't believe

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that well I agree and it only takes you

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we really need is one get some yeah and

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there's just so many you know I mean I

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don't even know exactly what the count

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sightings but you know when you tell you

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there's so many hundreds or even

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thousands you know per per month

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worldwide it's just yep just you just

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that there's there's a lot of mistaken

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you know identities of what appeared to

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be a UFO and then it's it ends up being

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majority of them there was recently a

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and as soon as I saw it I was kind of I

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across the river and purposely shaking

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his iPhone and basically it was a blimp

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definitely see it was a blimp but he was

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shaking his his phone enough to make it

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look like you know you couldn't really

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focus on it but and then he was saying

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know it surprised so there are people

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hoaxes too in the mix but yeah but you

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you explored I've looked at a lot of the

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cases you explore in your book and art

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and I I didn't go through it entirely

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but are there any that you do you

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explore the Hulk's part of the whole

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situation well not so much the hoax part

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that's confusing for people we all know

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that there are hoaxes and we all know

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that there are some of them are fairly

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good hoaxes there are things that you

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would you look at and you think wow

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point is there are there are also and

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this is just another sad thing in some

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ways I think the people who study you

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foes tend to or at least some of the

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people who do it can be quite hysterical

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in their in their actions towards

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whatever other people tell them so you

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get this phenomenon where a website will

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pick up a story and then repeat it

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without questioning it and then it gets

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repeated again by another website and it

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then everybody starts to say what this

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thing must be real this is absolutely

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got to have happened and one of the

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things that I deal with in the book is

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the Windsor Castle sighting which you

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almost any website across the across the

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internet and you'll find the Windsor

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Castle sighting it's a really

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interesting one because it didn't happen

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you know this was 1783 and everybody

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says wow you know these scientists in

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England saw a UFO streaked across the

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sky and and go off in different

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directions and there is a there's a

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almost all the web sites that report

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this carry that carry the same

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next and they say that this text comes

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from a document which was written by one

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of the the witnesses but it's slightly

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different to the real text now luckily

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really is quite something because it

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said that the object flew across the sky

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stopped then shot off in another

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direction and then turned around in

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itself and and finally disappeared now

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that sounds like a UFO and you've got to

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think wow you know that's pretty good

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for 1793 but when you've luckily for us

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the the record of the incident is

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actually in in the Royal Society's

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archives so and and they're online so

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you go online and you look at the

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original document and of course it's got

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nothing to do with the UFO what people

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are doing is that they're interpreting

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18th century language and the way people

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they are saying yeah that means that

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this thing was was was really strange I

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something about the cloud arranging

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itself across the sky and the UFO people

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have interpreted that as meaning that

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the cloud moved which of course it

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didn't so I thought well ok this now

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looks like it wasn't a UFO but on the

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other hand you need corroboration and

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put on by three no less than three other

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people all in different places in

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England one of whom was the Dean of York

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Minster the Cathedral in York one was

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another scientist in London and another

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was a scientist who was just outside

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London now all of them gave their

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testimony to the Royal Society who gave

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reports and so on and this is almost no

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doubt in my mind that that thing was

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simply a bolide because a meat-eor type

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object which exploded eventually over

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we believe but that's indicative of the

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sorts of things that can happen and

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you'll still find them to this day on

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the web accounts of the Windsor Castle

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UFO and you know you've got to be a

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little bit more aggressive about the way

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you corroborate these stories yes

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there's a there's another one similar to

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that I don't know if you've ever heard

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of the Alexander the Great UFO but that

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was that was traced back to a novel and

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I think 1952 and that no further back

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than that so yep you're right and it is

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really something how fiction B can

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become reality if it's or they think it

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you know people will take it as reality

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and a lot of times of Alejandro and I

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have brought up you can you can blame

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some of the British tabloids for a

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really for doing a lot of that it's up

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it's what they call the clickbait as

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they call it and you know there's a lot

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of UFO stories that are rather

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exaggerated on some of the British

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tabloids yep that's true there's lots of

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them yeah so can you explain because I

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didn't get a chance to I I bought your

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book on Kindle and like I mentioned

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before we were on the show I'm just in

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the middle of a lot of things I didn't

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really get much of a chance to skim

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through it or read it at all

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can you explain when you talk about the

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stories do you just go into the stories

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that happened in or do you put like your

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your ideas of what you think happened

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how does that work in your book well

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it's exactly what you say I took what I

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tried to do is give people the facts as

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far as I understand them and have been

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able to research them and then I present

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whatever skeptical approaches might have

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been made to that particular citing and

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finally I talked about my own feelings

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and analysis

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I mean my whole life is as a researcher

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is about looking at documentation and

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facts and extracting some sort of

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intelligence from them that's what I've

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tried to do in the book I mean the the

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Exeter New Hampshire sighting is a good

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case in point I think you know you will

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be very aware of that one yeah the the

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fact is that you know people have tried

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to explain it in the number of different

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ways and I guess the most recent is the

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cycle explanation which is that it was

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refueling tankers off the coast of New

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Hampshire now you know again it sounds

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plausible you read the explanation or

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the supposed explanation and you think

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well you know that's that's at least

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basically plausible but the point is

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that refueling tankers fly at such an

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altitude even in those days even the old

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piston engine ones that the lights from

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them were highly unlikely I mean would

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have been impossible to put it bluntly

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that they would illuminate a farm for

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example right which is what normal

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muscarello said that it had illuminated

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you know they've got the poor that was

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scared out of his life yes you know

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threw himself in a ditch at one point

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now the lights from a refueling tanker

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aren't going to do that psych ops said

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that the refueling tankers buzzed a lady

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who had complained earlier in the day

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about being annoyed by something that

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flew over her car and stopped over her

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car yeah now the skeptics have said that

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that was refueling tankers as well and

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the answer is you know that's rubbish if

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we no pilot in his right mind flying a

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tanker full of aviation fuel is going to

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buzz a car at a low enough altitude to

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be able to scare the the car driver and

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anyway even you know the most naive of

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car drivers would recognize an aircraft

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flying over them so it's those sorts of

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things right right

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yeah that isn't that is we just have the

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celebration a couple of years a couple

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weeks ago actually in Exeter they do a

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little festival every year on that I was

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miss I missed that this year but yeah

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it's a it's one of those great cases and

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it actually happened very close a friend

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it's actually Kensington which of course

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another English name town but up right

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next to Exeter that's actually whether

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it happened but yeah that's that's a

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great case it's one of the really good

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cases and and of course you brought up

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Roswell Roswell is is pretty

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controversial you know a lot of people

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still think there was really nothing to

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that I'm kind of on the fence about it I

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don't really I don't really know I had I

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have an argument about it that I always

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bring up when someone's totally

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skeptical about Roswell and that is well

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my listeners have heard it enough but

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what were your what were your thoughts

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on Roswell

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Wow how long have you got we got another

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about eight minutes or so and this

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before this break brosef Roswell is is

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one of those incidents where there is so

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much now on the record about it so many

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fascinating people have been have

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claimed that something happened that

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they saw things that they found things

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that they I mean you know Walter Haut

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were saying I saw bodies I saw objects

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which look like in a spacecraft and and

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the guy must I absolutely believe he

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must have believed that he did see those

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things because he signed a legal

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affidavit to say so now you know when

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there are people like that involved

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people of obvious genuineness over the

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years you you have to wonder what what

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went on but for me the key to Roswell

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and I know there are all sorts of

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theories you know that right down to

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what grosse and his set of a satellite

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oh yeah so I you clear up on current

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events that's good yeah

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yeah I mean there are all sorts of

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theories about it but for me there's a

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crucial issue here and that is why did

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they release press release well that's

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my argument the one I've said that my

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listeners are gonna get tired of hearing

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me say oh right that's exactly my

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argument I say it to every skeptic I

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said why on earth did they put that out

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in the first place and so you and I

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agree on that I like that absolutely I

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mean you just doesn't make sense if

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there was a major event there for the

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base commander to to issue that sort of

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absolutely inflammatory press release

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which mentions a disc about 30,000 times

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and when when you look at it you have to

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think well you know something must have

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happened something was was there but

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this guy went on to become a general in

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fact a very senior General in the US Air

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Force and I know I don't know whether

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the US Air Force is anything like the

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RAF but when you foul up in the RAF you

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don't get promoted you do not actually

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you know ever see a promotion from that

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point on issue you've got to be pretty

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good but he got promoted and he got

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promoted right the way up to there

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almost at the very top now that that can

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says something to me that the guy was

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approved by higher authority and by

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implication that means that they

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approved of him releasing that press

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release so I'm left wondering and like

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you say I'm I'm on the fence about the

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whole thing as well but there is

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something in me that wonders whether

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there was an an alien aspect to this at

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all or whether this was something else I

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mean you you will know of dick Redferns

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theories right there are there are there

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are aspects to the case which a press

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release like that would would cover up

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very effectively

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you know it plays to the hysteria at

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play place to the local beliefs it plays

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to the fact that people had seen things

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in the sky recently and they knew that

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and it effectively distracts for just a

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day from what might be a different story

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I don't know but it's fascinating I mean

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they retook there are so many people you

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know Philip Corso on one side and I

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cannot everybody has it has their own

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beliefs about Roswell is a fascinating

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modern fairy story and then you know the

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people that have done a lot of the

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research you know starting out of course

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with Stanton Friedman but Tom Kerry Don

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Schmidt Kevin really well all these

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people have done have spoken to you know

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they were there early enough with a lot

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of the firsthand witnesses

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we're so alive now they're you know in

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their 90's or a lot of it there's just a

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few left actually but they actually

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spoke and and you know a lot of the

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stories were very similar there's got to

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be something to that I'm still there's

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still some a lot of confusion for me as

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far as as far as Roswell goes and you

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know some people have the theory that

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there were there was a crash where two

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crafts actually crashed I think even

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Stan Freeman says he believes that might

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be what happened in the crash like 60

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miles apart or whatever it was so that

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there is confusion for for me anyway of

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the debris field and then the other

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Volkswagen sized piece or whatever they

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found supposedly with bodies you know I

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mean that it's really bizarre

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you know what did you get into any of

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that part of it yeah I mean I was

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reading about Jesse Marcel the other day

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there and he's almost one of one of my

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sort of rules of thumb when you read

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witness state

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is especially formal and official

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witnesses is the degree to which they

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are angry with the way they are treated

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and Jesse Marcel and another guy Charles

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halt of course are the two that I always

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mentioned when people say well what do

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you mean about that they are official

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witnesses who say what they saw and what

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happened and then are visibly and

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obviously frustrated by official

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disbelief and and the sort of ridicule

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that comes from their colleagues because

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of that official disbelief Jesse Marcel

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I think suffered more than most from

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that and yet in theory he was just

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telling it as it was right and you

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wonder if if if Stan the whole thing

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came back out again

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you know because Stan Freedman was at a

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radio station where someone didn't show

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up and then the guy casually mentioned I

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may be getting this a little bit wrong

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guy casually mentions that hey you

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should talk to the this guy over and I

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don't know if it was Oklahoma or

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wherever I can remember where they lived

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just to Marcel he said he talks about a

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crash you know UFO and that's you know

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kind of how Roswell came back out after

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30-some odd years of being buried and

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you wonder if that particular situation

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didn't happen

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would there be no Roswell you know with

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or do you think they would eventually

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have come out I think it would

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eventually have come out of because

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there were so many people who had

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stories to tell and eventually someone

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would have had would have would have

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heard of them but Stanton Friedman of

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course being the great researcher and

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detective that he is actually you know

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stumbled body and knew that he'd found

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something really important so you know

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when you when you go to see him I think

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please thank him for all of us for every

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hour of working Stan

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for the past 4050 years yeah amazing

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yeah I'm pretty excited to do that show

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with them so someone was just saying

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there weren't three kept crash sites it

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was just - one was the so-called pod and

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then the debris field right yep that's

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one I've ever heard

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yeah I just saw that in chat was one

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yeah there are rumors that there is a

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third site but but I've never I've never

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seen them substantiated in any way but

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interestingly again you see that

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congressman Schiff when he ran the this

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official investigation on it or managed

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to get it going

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the it was revealed the papers were

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destroyed without proper authority now

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again mysteries begin to build out why

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why were all the papers about Roswell

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about the phone calls about the exchange

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of information and letters and memos why

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was that all destroyed yeah yeah it

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doesn't make I'm sure you've probably

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heard of the the case where there was a

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ex CIA guy I can't remember his name but

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anyway it's time for us to go to break

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so we'll do that now this is Martin

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Willis kgr a radio and my guest tonight

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is James T Abbott hang in there we'll be

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then we're clear three and a half

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minutes in this break Jim all right

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sounds good okay race just just real

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quickly race if you could send me the

544
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raw file right after the show that'd be

545
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,150
great I'll take care of and I know it's

546
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,400
longer because you record music ahead of

547
00:26:03,460 --> 00:26:00,320
time but if you could do that I'll work

548
00:26:07,780 --> 00:26:03,470
on that right away you got it all right

549
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:07,790
appreciate it all right so so we were

550
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:10,490
talking the last break I I think we're

551
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:11,690
talking about the weather

552
00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:15,650
there and and UFO sightings there's a

553
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:19,030
the warminster isn't that also England

554
00:26:26,050 --> 00:26:22,370
yep you have that signed in Dorset down

555
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:26,060
south yep yeah and have you followed

556
00:26:29,410 --> 00:26:28,970
that do you follow like UFO sightings in

557
00:26:33,220 --> 00:26:29,420
your country

558
00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:33,230
besides their channel channel is yeah

559
00:26:38,980 --> 00:26:36,830
yeah we're I'm fairly well linked into

560
00:26:41,050 --> 00:26:38,990
most of what is happening here because I

561
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,060
have people who tell me when things

562
00:26:49,870 --> 00:26:43,520
happen in their particular areas but

563
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:49,880
it's we get probably about 300 200 to

564
00:26:59,710 --> 00:26:55,330
300 sightings here of which maybe 10 15

565
00:27:03,700 --> 00:26:59,720
are inexplicable by the local roofer

566
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:03,710
organizations and so on and the some of

567
00:27:08,530 --> 00:27:06,320
them are really strange I mean this this

568
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:08,540
ties in of course with crop circles and

569
00:27:13,690 --> 00:27:11,450
the feeling that that's the one area in

570
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:13,700
Britain warminster where there is a a

571
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:19,910
feeling that ancient rites and ancient

572
00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:20,480
power

573
00:27:27,940 --> 00:27:24,230
he's manifesting itself in various ways

574
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:27,950
and even in one of my friends who is a

575
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:32,240
king UFO investigator believes that down

576
00:27:39,220 --> 00:27:34,910
there most of the instance are actually

577
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:39,230
about power in some way he was a great

578
00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:42,650
believer in lines into

579
00:27:50,410 --> 00:27:48,220
interconnectedness really strange and

580
00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:50,420
I'm trying to think some of the

581
00:27:56,890 --> 00:27:55,100
monolithic sites there's our Stonehenge

582
00:27:59,380 --> 00:27:56,900
yeah out there saying you know some

583
00:28:02,590 --> 00:27:59,390
weird there's weird goings goings on in

584
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:02,600
those places and I'd like to talk in the

585
00:28:06,190 --> 00:28:04,310
second hour when we get into that I'd

586
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:06,200
like to talk about Rendlesham forest

587
00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:07,970
have you done a lot of research on that

588
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,630
particular case yeah I have yes that's

589
00:28:14,620 --> 00:28:13,520
always after you mentioned Charles

590
00:28:17,770 --> 00:28:14,630
hauled I thought that would be a good

591
00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:17,780
topic to to go into we have race what do

592
00:28:25,420 --> 00:28:21,100
we have about 30 seconds left

593
00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:25,430
hey what's that in a minute one minute

594
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:30,020
okay so how about in the area that

595
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:32,690
you're in North Yorkshire is that what

596
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:36,290
you said yep any sightings in your area

597
00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:39,290
at all yeah there's been some there's

598
00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:42,160
been some quite fascinating ones

599
00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:45,580
a couple of police officers sightings

600
00:28:52,290 --> 00:28:48,070
one he was by himself in a in a

601
00:28:55,890 --> 00:28:52,300
high-speed chase car saw an object that

602
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,900
object over over the hills in front of

603
00:29:01,740 --> 00:28:58,000
him and he was coming actually towards

604
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:01,750
where I live on a road called the a 59

605
00:29:06,860 --> 00:29:04,450
which runs right the way across the pen

606
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:06,870
inés so it's pretty high it's about

607
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,350
1,500 2,000 feet in places and he was

608
00:29:16,530 --> 00:29:14,080
quite high at that point and he could

609
00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:16,540
see ahead of him pretty well right the

610
00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:18,550
way across to the Vale of York about 30

611
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:21,790
miles away I think yes I'm sorry the end

612
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,570
of the break right straight sweet words

613
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:28,480
running now and then bumper okay sorry

614
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:30,510
about sorry for the interruption James

615
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:33,100
no no problem they said I understand

616
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:36,370
what's a sweeper and a bumper I know

617
00:29:41,010 --> 00:29:39,250
bumpers music what is a sweeper sweeper

618
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:41,020
is like a station I'd be you're

619
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:44,050
listening to kg okay all right good

620
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:47,170
music is the music that we lead into the

621
00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:50,520
show with all right I'm ready on this

622
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:52,300
gentleman here we go

623
00:30:05,720 --> 00:29:57,730
in five four three oh this is uh

624
00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:05,730
commercial-free yes five four three two

625
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:08,020
hello everyone welcome back this is

626
00:30:15,170 --> 00:30:10,330
Martin Willis with podcast UFO my guest

627
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:15,180
is James T Abbott and we were discussing

628
00:30:21,030 --> 00:30:19,390
Roswell before the break and uh I

629
00:30:21,810 --> 00:30:21,040
believe that we were still on Roswell

630
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:21,820
weren't we

631
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:29,050
before the Bailiwick yes and also you

632
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:33,520
know I mean the the air force light

633
00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:36,220
basically you know I mean there or they

634
00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:39,550
had misinformation themselves that they

635
00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:43,060
gave out you know and instead of another

636
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:44,830
thing that they another turn that they

637
00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:47,710
could have taken was instead of denying

638
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:50,950
that there were a body scene he said to

639
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:53,170
all those were crash test dummies you

640
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,610
know that type of thing so it's it's

641
00:31:03,610 --> 00:30:57,200
just been abuzz that it is a bizarre

642
00:31:06,850 --> 00:31:03,620
case yeah how do you think how do you

643
00:31:08,830 --> 00:31:06,860
think Roswell will be viewed like years

644
00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:08,840
from now do you think it'll just seem

645
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:11,870
like a fairy tale after a while you know

646
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,290
I mean it's pretty bizarre the festival

647
00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:17,360
they have every year it gets it gets a

648
00:31:22,299 --> 00:31:20,390
little fringy a little wacky yeah I

649
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:22,309
think I think that's the problem with a

650
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:26,000
lot of UFO sightings and and events and

651
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:28,730
Roswell is is one of the biggest so

652
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:31,970
consequently it will develop the biggest

653
00:31:42,669 --> 00:31:39,679
pipe and the you asked what it would be

654
00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:42,679
like in a few years time in you know how

655
00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:46,190
that story develops I think the only

656
00:31:54,730 --> 00:31:49,940
thing that will save any of these older

657
00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:54,740
UFO stories will be real evidence coming

658
00:31:59,950 --> 00:31:56,840
through that something actually is there

659
00:32:04,810 --> 00:31:59,960
and that's why I think everyone was so

660
00:32:06,370 --> 00:32:04,820
impressed with Lewis elizondo's videos I

661
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:06,380
mean they won't work his videos of

662
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:09,049
course they're DoD visit videos but the

663
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:11,510
the fact that those were released and

664
00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:13,610
there are not just one of them but three

665
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:17,150
of them all showing fairly strange

666
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:20,990
objects being filmed by advanced u.s.

667
00:32:32,980 --> 00:32:31,130
fighter aircraft yes and I agree the

668
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:32,990
difference will be for something like

669
00:32:40,030 --> 00:32:36,710
Roswell will be weather eventually if it

670
00:32:42,430 --> 00:32:40,040
comes out that you know that we are

671
00:32:43,780 --> 00:32:42,440
being visited or if if they you know one

672
00:32:45,730 --> 00:32:43,790
of the things to the questions out there

673
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:45,740
is does the government even know

674
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:48,320
themselves what's happening you know are

675
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,049
they just as as blind as we all are and

676
00:32:57,490 --> 00:32:53,840
looking for the answers we really don't

677
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,500
know that yes you're good yeah

678
00:33:01,180 --> 00:32:59,360
we have wait we have our suspicions but

679
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:01,190
we don't know and I think governments

680
00:33:07,790 --> 00:33:06,080
generally they don't like to admit that

681
00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:07,800
they don't know anything

682
00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:10,630
what is happening with governments I

683
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:12,430
feel is that they have a bit of the

684
00:33:17,250 --> 00:33:14,230
story and they certainly probably have

685
00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:17,260
more of the story that we do but at the

686
00:33:22,350 --> 00:33:19,300
same time they also don't have a lot of

687
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:22,360
it so where your Department of Defense

688
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:24,430
was concerned I believe that they looked

689
00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:26,710
into those videos in great depth and

690
00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:28,780
they studied them and studied them and

691
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:31,390
studied them and Louis Elizondo said

692
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:35,290
quite brightly that they have decided

693
00:33:41,790 --> 00:33:38,290
things deduced things about the objects

694
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:41,800
which really make that you really blow

695
00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:44,520
your mind about you know

696
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:47,350
interdimensional travel about things

697
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,970
that are linked in quantum terms and and

698
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:53,440
all sorts of other things about

699
00:33:57,150 --> 00:33:55,330
wormholes and so on so they obviously

700
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,160
have lots and lots of theories and

701
00:34:00,930 --> 00:33:58,960
probably based on much better evidence

702
00:34:03,390 --> 00:34:00,940
and much more evidence than we've got

703
00:34:06,170 --> 00:34:03,400
but at the end of the day releasing the

704
00:34:11,399 --> 00:34:06,180
videos can only mean one of two things

705
00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:11,409
either the the videos are useless and

706
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:13,360
the Department of Defense has decided

707
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:15,250
that they were just a figment of the

708
00:34:22,409 --> 00:34:18,129
pilots imaginations which doesn't

709
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:22,419
actually say much for the US Navy so I

710
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:23,679
doubt that that's the explanation

711
00:34:28,830 --> 00:34:27,070
because these guys are good but the the

712
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,840
other possible explanation of course is

713
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,200
that the DoD have studied them can't

714
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,480
come up with a reason that an answer and

715
00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:36,159
have just released them into the public

716
00:34:41,399 --> 00:34:39,070
domain and said to Louis Elizondo

717
00:34:43,379 --> 00:34:41,409
effectively okay you reckon the people

718
00:34:45,570 --> 00:34:43,389
out there know a bit about this subject

719
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:45,580
let's give them something to work on and

720
00:34:50,129 --> 00:34:48,639
see what they come up with I think there

721
00:34:51,899 --> 00:34:50,139
is a there's some truth to what you're

722
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:51,909
saying I think that's very much a

723
00:34:58,860 --> 00:34:54,850
possibility and you know the UFO

724
00:35:01,050 --> 00:34:58,870
community does does do good work when it

725
00:35:04,290 --> 00:35:01,060
comes to really investigating I don't

726
00:35:07,050 --> 00:35:04,300
know if you followed when a few years

727
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:07,060
ago when the alien slides the Roswell

728
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:09,850
slide suppose its lights came on and

729
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:11,530
everyone went to town on that and

730
00:35:16,770 --> 00:35:14,260
deciphered you know the plaque and you

731
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:16,780
know saw that it was a mummy and and you

732
00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:18,850
know figured that out didn't take long

733
00:35:23,549 --> 00:35:21,430
at all and so how

734
00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:23,559
along those same lines there's a

735
00:35:28,799 --> 00:35:25,390
gentleman in San Francisco working on

736
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:28,809
the image of the paper held and can't

737
00:35:32,309 --> 00:35:30,190
remember the name of the person's hand

738
00:35:36,569 --> 00:35:32,319
and Roswell that was holding the memo in

739
00:35:40,589 --> 00:35:36,579
his hand been working on that trying to

740
00:35:43,859 --> 00:35:40,599
get you know as technology growth trying

741
00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:43,869
to crack the writing on that memo yeah

742
00:35:48,569 --> 00:35:46,390
we see the rainy or bland shot wasn't it

743
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:48,579
yeah the Ramey memo yeah that's it yes

744
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,780
yeah so you know in time perhaps that

745
00:35:58,559 --> 00:35:54,880
will get cracked right now it looks like

746
00:36:00,059 --> 00:35:58,569
it says something about a crash and

747
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:00,069
bodies or something like that on that

748
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:04,089
it's and yeah you know who knows we're

749
00:36:11,849 --> 00:36:08,640
technology or bring that so I do think

750
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:11,859
you know we may or may not know anything

751
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:13,540
about Roswell but here's here's

752
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:15,790
something I'll post you so let's just

753
00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:19,440
say things keep moving forward as far as

754
00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:22,950
the government releasing more videos and

755
00:36:28,859 --> 00:36:26,260
actually feeling free to discuss the UFO

756
00:36:31,319 --> 00:36:28,869
topic publicly or let it be discussed

757
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:31,329
publicly do you think they'll ever be a

758
00:36:38,339 --> 00:36:35,170
point where they would talk about other

759
00:36:40,289 --> 00:36:38,349
like major sightings and say we actually

760
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:40,299
did have information on Roswell oh we

761
00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:41,770
did have information on Rendlesham

762
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:44,190
forest do you think that will ever be

763
00:36:52,530 --> 00:36:48,690
will come out the more of the UFO topic

764
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:52,540
gets discussed and released yeah I think

765
00:36:58,650 --> 00:36:55,530
I think what's going to happen is that

766
00:37:02,970 --> 00:36:58,660
what no it's not what's going to happen

767
00:37:06,539 --> 00:37:02,980
it's what could happen if the UFO

768
00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:06,549
community is careful and doesn't upset

769
00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:09,640
the applecart too much governments don't

770
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:13,660
like to be made fun of and I think it's

771
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:15,640
up to the UFO community to say to

772
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:19,380
government we we want to know more and

773
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:22,150
we are prepared to help we want to help

774
00:37:26,609 --> 00:37:24,790
in this we're not trying to make people

775
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:26,619
panic we're not trying to make things

776
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:29,470
worse for you and if you do really

777
00:37:33,569 --> 00:37:31,150
simple then we'll have a look at it

778
00:37:35,069 --> 00:37:33,579
seriously and scientifically and we've

779
00:37:37,859 --> 00:37:35,079
got a lot of good minds

780
00:37:41,729 --> 00:37:37,869
or who can do things that some of your

781
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:41,739
analysts can't do so let us see that the

782
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:44,170
the evidence let us talk about it and

783
00:37:52,410 --> 00:37:47,249
and see what we can get this will come

784
00:37:53,819 --> 00:37:52,420
very very gradually and governments it

785
00:37:55,759 --> 00:37:53,829
depends of course what happens in the

786
00:37:58,559 --> 00:37:55,769
world of world politics generally and

787
00:38:01,559 --> 00:37:58,569
who's President of the United States at

788
00:38:04,529 --> 00:38:01,569
the time but at the same time what will

789
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:04,539
happen I think is that we've got to the

790
00:38:09,299 --> 00:38:06,910
point and it's only taken a seventy

791
00:38:11,729 --> 00:38:09,309
years where the Department of Defense

792
00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:11,739
can actually release photographs that

793
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:13,630
are immediately taken up by the press

794
00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:17,410
and labelled UFOs now that wouldn't have

795
00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:19,630
happened twenty thirty years ago and

796
00:38:24,299 --> 00:38:21,880
it's it's a good sign that it's

797
00:38:27,509 --> 00:38:24,309
happening now but it will take a long

798
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:27,519
time for the next stage to come and what

799
00:38:34,049 --> 00:38:30,130
the to the stars Academy does and what

800
00:38:36,449 --> 00:38:34,059
Louis Elizondo and his colleagues do

801
00:38:40,349 --> 00:38:36,459
will make a lot of difference to them to

802
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,359
the speed of that process yes yeah I I

803
00:38:44,969 --> 00:38:42,640
agree definitely definitely

804
00:38:48,329 --> 00:38:44,979
so let's we're talking up in the break

805
00:38:50,359 --> 00:38:48,339
that I think it's a really good topic I

806
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:50,369
think Rendlesham forest is one of the

807
00:38:57,779 --> 00:38:53,529
it's definitely one of my favorite UFO

808
00:38:59,640 --> 00:38:57,789
sightings and with the witnesses and and

809
00:39:03,559 --> 00:38:59,650
it's a very it's been very convoluted

810
00:39:06,739 --> 00:39:03,569
with all the different controversial

811
00:39:10,109 --> 00:39:06,749
things happening happening through the

812
00:39:13,769 --> 00:39:10,119
years the different stories Jim

813
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:13,779
Penniston about his download supposedly

814
00:39:20,249 --> 00:39:17,170
and and then Larry Warren there's

815
00:39:22,949 --> 00:39:20,259
there's been a lot of issues but the

816
00:39:27,089 --> 00:39:22,959
solid core of Rendlesham force

817
00:39:31,739 --> 00:39:27,099
Charles halt John Burroughs there's some

818
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:31,749
really really great witnesses so tell me

819
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:33,609
if you would about the research you've

820
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:37,089
done on that particular sighting or

821
00:39:42,449 --> 00:39:40,619
should say sightings yes I things yeah

822
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:42,459
Rendlesham is just one of the most

823
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:43,119
fascinating

824
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,630
I mean after Roswell it's the one that

825
00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:48,800
most people remember

826
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:52,040
and it in England as well it has a

827
00:40:00,240 --> 00:39:56,480
status equal to Roswell the the way that

828
00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:00,250
it unfolded of course was that January

829
00:40:06,820 --> 00:40:04,190
night Earth well it was for Boxing Day

830
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:06,830
morning in fact December night in East

831
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:09,170
Anglia or a cold East Anglian Christmas

832
00:40:16,570 --> 00:40:15,050
the the idea was that three guys were

833
00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:16,580
sent out on patrol

834
00:40:23,140 --> 00:40:20,680
having seen lights in the nearby forest

835
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:23,150
the fact that they came back and said

836
00:40:29,140 --> 00:40:26,320
that they had seen an object there is

837
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,150
you know something that most officers I

838
00:40:33,790 --> 00:40:31,520
guess at the time would have laughed at

839
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:33,800
and said come on that's you know it's

840
00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:36,530
it's Christmas not April Fool's and the

841
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:39,020
the way that it developed from that

842
00:40:43,930 --> 00:40:41,810
point on well if you'd have written it

843
00:40:45,550 --> 00:40:43,940
as a fictional story I think most

844
00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:45,560
publishers would have thrown it out as

845
00:40:51,850 --> 00:40:48,740
unbelievable because you know it ends up

846
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:51,860
with Colonel halt halt being sent out

847
00:40:59,680 --> 00:40:54,800
into the cold one that one night a few

848
00:41:02,110 --> 00:40:59,690
nights after that and and trying to in

849
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:02,120
his own words debunk the whole thing to

850
00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:05,330
destroy this silly set of rumors that

851
00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:07,670
have been going round about UFOs in the

852
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,550
area but what actually happened was that

853
00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:13,040
Holt himself ended up the center of the

854
00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:15,620
story the guy who had made a tape

855
00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:18,700
recording of what he saw that night and

856
00:41:26,050 --> 00:41:21,350
that tape recording is now as you know

857
00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:26,060
on the web that whole episode is just

858
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:29,960
stunningly interesting then writes to

859
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:32,300
the British government because of course

860
00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:35,210
the military bases were on British soil

861
00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:38,030
and tells them what happened

862
00:41:46,030 --> 00:41:43,190
now his colonel Colonel Conrad probably

863
00:41:49,570 --> 00:41:46,040
well I doubt that Holt sent that memo

864
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:49,580
without his say-so and he allowed that

865
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:51,710
to go on and then he stayed silent for

866
00:41:58,570 --> 00:41:55,490
30 years before talking to dr. David

867
00:42:02,380 --> 00:41:58,580
Clarke and saying to Clarke that Holt

868
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:02,390
should be ashamed of himself for

869
00:42:10,299 --> 00:42:04,430
alleging that two governments covered up

870
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:10,309
what happened at Rendlesham oh yeah it's

871
00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:14,690
I mean David Clarke interviewed Conrad

872
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:19,220
and got there his side of the story but

873
00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:21,890
only after 30 years - Conrad actually

874
00:42:24,549 --> 00:42:23,960
say that Holt should be ashamed of

875
00:42:27,490 --> 00:42:24,559
himself

876
00:42:30,759 --> 00:42:27,500
now Colt is one of those guys who made

877
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:30,769
noise and of course for an officer

878
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:33,230
that's not something that goes down well

879
00:42:38,650 --> 00:42:36,529
in your record he insisted that he'd

880
00:42:41,170 --> 00:42:38,660
seen what he'd seen he insisted on

881
00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:41,180
saying that he had recorded what he'd

882
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:44,660
seen and by implication although not

883
00:42:50,289 --> 00:42:47,410
directly at the time he supported the

884
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:50,299
testimony of his three of the three guys

885
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:54,049
Kevin Zack burrows and Penniston it's

886
00:42:59,799 --> 00:42:56,329
really a fascinating story it's one of

887
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,809
those ones that I for one am more

888
00:43:06,339 --> 00:43:02,480
convinced by their many ways I am by

889
00:43:09,789 --> 00:43:06,349
Rendell's by Roswell yeah yeah there's a

890
00:43:12,670 --> 00:43:09,799
lot of very convincing aspects to it and

891
00:43:15,069 --> 00:43:12,680
you know the recording is actually you

892
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:15,079
can go on YouTube and you can listen to

893
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:17,089
it there's different lengths of the

894
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:20,480
recordings but it is very eerie and you

895
00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:21,470
know I've had some one-on-one

896
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:24,980
conversations with Charles halt you know

897
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:26,920
sat down with him at a conference and

898
00:43:35,339 --> 00:43:31,609
really I really think he has total

899
00:43:38,289 --> 00:43:35,349
integrity and you know I mean he

900
00:43:42,220 --> 00:43:38,299
personally you know which never happened

901
00:43:46,210 --> 00:43:42,230
he didn't very well lived without any of

902
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,220
that happening and he has a way and he's

903
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,839
told me.they has a way of like putting

904
00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:50,720
it on a shelf like not making it rule

905
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:52,700
his life or be part of his life and

906
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:54,140
every once in a while he'll take it out

907
00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:55,609
and look at it you know that's the type

908
00:44:00,970 --> 00:43:57,230
of way that's the way he looks at a

909
00:44:02,349 --> 00:44:00,980
Rendlesham forest for him but he really

910
00:44:05,170 --> 00:44:02,359
didn't want the recording to get out

911
00:44:08,769 --> 00:44:05,180
there I think someone made some money if

912
00:44:13,029 --> 00:44:08,779
I on that recording they sold it or so I

913
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:13,039
understand yes I understand yes I mean

914
00:44:15,390 --> 00:44:15,170
that that for me as I said before is one

915
00:44:17,819 --> 00:44:15,400
of the

916
00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:17,829
things that makes me believe him his his

917
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:20,740
attitude is as you say full of integrity

918
00:44:29,059 --> 00:44:24,730
and honesty but also there is a degree

919
00:44:34,789 --> 00:44:29,069
of frustration and anger we are behind

920
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:34,799
yeah I had a controversy on this show

921
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,490
that ended up not going well all right

922
00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:41,440
and it had to do with Charles halt

923
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:43,660
because I had a one-on-one conversation

924
00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:45,190
with him and then I was joined by

925
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:47,430
someone else at a conference and

926
00:44:54,539 --> 00:44:49,930
basically I could swear that he said

927
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:54,549
that that he was he I was shocked when

928
00:44:59,099 --> 00:44:57,490
he said it but he said that he was

929
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,109
actually drugged as well

930
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:01,680
so I brought that up on this show and I

931
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:06,450
got a boy it did not go well I had

932
00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:10,890
Robert Hastings after me and libel

933
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:13,750
threats and all that so I talked to

934
00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:15,609
Charles halt I said Charles I was

935
00:45:20,190 --> 00:45:16,900
standing right next to you when you said

936
00:45:23,309 --> 00:45:20,200
it and we finally he finally kept to the

937
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:23,319
point where he said I believe that you

938
00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:27,849
think you heard me say it and so we

939
00:45:31,799 --> 00:45:29,740
ended up like actually we actually talk

940
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:31,809
now and then and you know we talked

941
00:45:36,269 --> 00:45:34,150
about houses and everything he built out

942
00:45:39,390 --> 00:45:36,279
really interesting house so we talk

943
00:45:42,059 --> 00:45:39,400
about things now and then he's a great

944
00:45:44,789 --> 00:45:42,069
guy I'm glad that he got over that and

945
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:44,799
let me still continue to believe believe

946
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:48,250
that I heard him say that but that whole

947
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:50,710
thing about the drugging afterwards it

948
00:45:56,279 --> 00:45:53,890
is really bizarre don't you think yes I

949
00:46:00,019 --> 00:45:56,289
do and it's one of those it's one of the

950
00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:00,029
aspects of the story that that again has

951
00:46:05,789 --> 00:46:03,369
has connections with Roswell doesn't it

952
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:05,799
not in terms of drugging but in terms of

953
00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:09,130
the intimidation of witnesses right now

954
00:46:16,769 --> 00:46:13,750
the allegations of intimidation you know

955
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:16,779
they say that lots of people who had

956
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:19,210
seen things that night were rounded out

957
00:46:23,609 --> 00:46:21,430
put through fairly stiff interrogations

958
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:23,619
by intelligence officers and then

959
00:46:25,690 --> 00:46:25,420
released on the on the basis that they

960
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:25,700
say

961
00:46:32,260 --> 00:46:29,210
nothing to anyone that sort of thing

962
00:46:35,650 --> 00:46:32,270
makes me believe all the more that there

963
00:46:37,450 --> 00:46:35,660
must be something to it yeah and the

964
00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:37,460
same same happened at Roswell of course

965
00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:41,660
or is alleged to it but also one of the

966
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:43,550
things again since we're on the topic of

967
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:46,010
an additional force it's one of those

968
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,130
type of things that is so bizarre it's

969
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:51,680
almost like too bizarre like you

970
00:46:55,870 --> 00:46:53,630
couldn't even make it up I mean the

971
00:46:57,550 --> 00:46:55,880
thing bouncing along through the woods

972
00:47:01,300 --> 00:46:57,560
looking like a large eyeball and

973
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:01,310
dripping like magma type tripping molten

974
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:03,770
dripping off of it and then exploding

975
00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:07,610
into five lights I mean all that is like

976
00:47:14,530 --> 00:47:11,140
so bizarre and that whole entire night

977
00:47:17,350 --> 00:47:14,540
that he witnessed Charles halt in

978
00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:17,360
particular witness with the craft coming

979
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:19,790
overhead and the light beam of light

980
00:47:23,410 --> 00:47:21,950
came down and everyone said the same

981
00:47:25,060 --> 00:47:23,420
thing about the light it didn't look

982
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,070
like a normal light it looked like

983
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:28,160
almost like a tube or something which is

984
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:31,760
yeah yeah I had a guy I had a guy found

985
00:47:39,220 --> 00:47:36,110
me from who I know sort of tangentially

986
00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:39,230
I know him phoned me from Seattle about

987
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:42,470
two months ago and he said you know I've

988
00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:44,450
seen something and I said what did you

989
00:47:49,810 --> 00:47:47,870
see and I took it down he was he was out

990
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:49,820
in the forest with his son camping and

991
00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:53,750
they they were they were just packing up

992
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:55,550
for the night before going to bed and

993
00:48:00,340 --> 00:47:58,250
they he looked up in the sky some was in

994
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:00,350
the tent he looked up in the sky and saw

995
00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:03,050
an object and a beam of light came down

996
00:48:07,630 --> 00:48:05,270
from him so I said well what was this

997
00:48:09,850 --> 00:48:07,640
beam like and he said well it was beamed

998
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:09,860
into the forest onto a small lake that's

999
00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:12,770
about a mile away and I said what was it

1000
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:15,560
like he said well I can't I really don't

1001
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:17,210
like say and I said well go on tell me

1002
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:20,330
he said it was a light he said but it

1003
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:29,170
yep-yep-yep means so familiar that sort

1004
00:48:35,710 --> 00:48:31,730
of story and this the story about lights

1005
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:35,720
on objects being pure or a different

1006
00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:37,910
sort of color to the others that weren't

1007
00:48:41,609 --> 00:48:38,950
used to

1008
00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:41,619
give credibility for me too quite a lot

1009
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:44,230
of sightings right right

1010
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:45,760
you know people talked about that also

1011
00:48:50,910 --> 00:48:48,490
with the Phoenix lights there was a very

1012
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:50,920
strange sort of light and I also believe

1013
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:54,220
about the Belgium triangle UFO sighting

1014
00:49:01,050 --> 00:48:57,490
now I saw that is your book as well yeah

1015
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,060
you explored that yes I did and I've got

1016
00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:03,040
friends who live in Belgium and they

1017
00:49:08,609 --> 00:49:06,220
they sent me a lot of stuff from copies

1018
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:08,619
of local paper articles and so on that

1019
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:11,490
have been made at the time and it's

1020
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:14,050
again you see this it's the same thing

1021
00:49:20,310 --> 00:49:17,200
you know that the officer concerned is a

1022
00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:20,320
very Charles Hotline figure very serious

1023
00:49:28,829 --> 00:49:24,550
very you know concentrated focused and

1024
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:28,839
so on but and and very annoyed at what

1025
00:49:33,630 --> 00:49:31,510
he sees as authority trying to cover up

1026
00:49:37,170 --> 00:49:33,640
something that actually happened and

1027
00:49:41,130 --> 00:49:37,180
needs to be investigated further right

1028
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:41,140
right yeah so I am inviting people if

1029
00:49:44,730 --> 00:49:42,310
they'd like to call in and ask a

1030
00:49:47,609 --> 00:49:44,740
question that number just went up on

1031
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:47,619
YouTube if you're listening to kgr a

1032
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:50,319
radio I'm gonna give that number out

1033
00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:53,530
once and that's six oh three nine six

1034
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,260
seven four oh three oh but keep in mind

1035
00:50:00,359 --> 00:49:58,000
if you're not listening to the show live

1036
00:50:02,970 --> 00:50:00,369
that number goes nowhere unless the show

1037
00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:02,980
is live so please only use that during

1038
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:06,790
the show time and so anyone can call in

1039
00:50:13,710 --> 00:50:08,410
if you'd like to ask our guest a

1040
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:13,720
question and so so Rendlesham forest

1041
00:50:18,329 --> 00:50:16,270
there's still things going on people

1042
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:18,339
still talking about there's bizarre

1043
00:50:24,540 --> 00:50:22,619
things going on we were talking before

1044
00:50:28,050 --> 00:50:24,550
Alejandro and I were talking about the

1045
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:28,060
skinwalker ranch and how in that whole

1046
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:29,890
general area there's such bizarre things

1047
00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:32,050
going on in and and the Rendlesham

1048
00:50:38,010 --> 00:50:34,780
forest area in that particular area

1049
00:50:41,579 --> 00:50:38,020
itself people I guess have been talking

1050
00:50:44,099 --> 00:50:41,589
about things going on there for for

1051
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:44,109
centuries not just not just then and

1052
00:50:50,270 --> 00:50:47,410
still carrying on do you ever follow any

1053
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:50,280
of what's going on there still

1054
00:50:55,950 --> 00:50:52,310
occasionally I do yes I

1055
00:51:01,180 --> 00:50:55,960
get back to Rendlesham as a sort of

1056
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:01,190
about once twice a year the the lovely

1057
00:51:04,510 --> 00:51:02,480
thing about Rendlesham because it's

1058
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:04,520
closer to me I can get down there and

1059
00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:08,210
and walk around and see the place and I

1060
00:51:13,690 --> 00:51:10,760
mean all the bases are closed and so on

1061
00:51:17,170 --> 00:51:13,700
now but the the coastline there is

1062
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:17,180
ancient of course it's ancient not for a

1063
00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:20,480
coastline the there are churches there

1064
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,630
are Roman ruins and there are locals who

1065
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:25,760
will tell you that whole areas are

1066
00:51:31,810 --> 00:51:28,310
haunted and so on so you you laugh

1067
00:51:35,830 --> 00:51:31,820
politely and say well yeah okay but the

1068
00:51:38,860 --> 00:51:35,840
the stories do in fact go back hundreds

1069
00:51:41,230 --> 00:51:38,870
of years about certain areas and let

1070
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:41,240
skinwalker is more spectacular

1071
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:43,970
I think Rendlesham as a sort of English

1072
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:47,450
quaintness to it its mysteries

1073
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:50,000
yeah we have a caller on the line caller

1074
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:51,710
what's your first name and where you

1075
00:51:55,390 --> 00:51:54,800
calling from uh it's for fire I'm from

1076
00:51:57,970 --> 00:51:55,400
South Carolina

1077
00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:57,980
hey Ryan hey you safe you got a

1078
00:52:02,560 --> 00:51:59,900
hurricane coming that way yeah it's

1079
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:02,570
coming but it's supposedly only gonna

1080
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:05,270
we're on it suppose we all goes just

1081
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,910
tons of rain well stay safe so you're

1082
00:52:14,770 --> 00:52:12,800
not evacuated that's good you're not an

1083
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:14,780
evacuation area now you have a question

1084
00:52:20,110 --> 00:52:18,530
for our guest tonight well just a quick

1085
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:20,120
statement than a question I mean you

1086
00:52:26,140 --> 00:52:23,150
asked you asked about you know Roswell

1087
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:26,150
where why didn't why didn't Army Air

1088
00:52:30,370 --> 00:52:28,310
Force released that statement from what

1089
00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:30,380
I understand

1090
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:32,660
Marcel got back to the base and

1091
00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:35,450
apparently convinced Colonel Blanchard

1092
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:37,640
what he thought happened what he had

1093
00:52:42,340 --> 00:52:39,050
recovered was something extraordinary

1094
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:42,350
not I kind of disagree on that point but

1095
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,730
that's that's kind of where it came from

1096
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:46,400
in case you were you were wondering so

1097
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:49,130
anyway anyway to follow it was my

1098
00:52:55,090 --> 00:52:51,980
question go to Roswell you know I've

1099
00:52:58,690 --> 00:52:55,100
made this point on Kevin Randall's blog

1100
00:53:01,210 --> 00:52:58,700
and one of you can can I jump on this if

1101
00:53:03,550 --> 00:53:01,220
you won't yeah you know the thing about

1102
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,560
Roswell I've always you know it looked

1103
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:05,359
good to me when I was younger

1104
00:53:11,170 --> 00:53:07,249
first came out the thing I've always had

1105
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:11,180
a hard time accepting about it as I've

1106
00:53:18,279 --> 00:53:15,529
gotten older is the lack of leaks that

1107
00:53:22,779 --> 00:53:18,289
come up with it and especially how it

1108
00:53:26,410 --> 00:53:22,789
fails to show up in the Intel archives

1109
00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:26,420
of other countries for example years

1110
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:30,920
back if you'll recall gentleman by the

1111
00:53:36,910 --> 00:53:35,089
name of Metroid c'n came over and he

1112
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:36,920
brought you know the KGB archives with

1113
00:53:41,529 --> 00:53:39,170
them nothing about Roswell nothing about

1114
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:41,539
any reverse engineering project

1115
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:45,200
same thing with defectors kim Philby

1116
00:53:51,069 --> 00:53:48,049
goes over there defects the Soviet Union

1117
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:51,079
during during the Cold War doesn't say a

1118
00:53:54,430 --> 00:53:52,910
word about oh well in case you didn't

1119
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:54,440
know the Americans that have had this

1120
00:53:56,739 --> 00:53:55,609
and they're working on a big reverse

1121
00:53:59,410 --> 00:53:56,749
engineering project

1122
00:54:01,140 --> 00:53:59,420
Uranus thinkoh comes over here the

1123
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:01,150
United States during the Cold War

1124
00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:04,640
nothing I'm just wondering does anyone

1125
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:07,880
really think that's possible hang on

1126
00:54:10,989 --> 00:54:09,410
just one second I just want to say we

1127
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:10,999
have another caller on the line just be

1128
00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:12,529
patient we'll get to you

1129
00:54:19,390 --> 00:54:16,700
go ahead if you would James yeah Ryan hi

1130
00:54:22,299 --> 00:54:19,400
thank you for calling the the way that I

1131
00:54:26,049 --> 00:54:22,309
see this is is that you're onto quite an

1132
00:54:27,970 --> 00:54:26,059
important point I I have are me friends

1133
00:54:31,180 --> 00:54:27,980
in this country as well one of whom

1134
00:54:36,729 --> 00:54:31,190
works in military intelligence and he

1135
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:36,739
also told me on the Qt that Roswell was

1136
00:54:42,970 --> 00:54:39,200
nothing that was all he was prepared to

1137
00:54:45,309 --> 00:54:42,980
say but the the way that there is such a

1138
00:54:48,190 --> 00:54:45,319
lack of information coming through these

1139
00:54:51,970 --> 00:54:48,200
leaks coming through Snowden for

1140
00:54:53,769 --> 00:54:51,980
instance and the WikiLeaks there is

1141
00:54:56,970 --> 00:54:53,779
nothing on Roswell this in fact there's

1142
00:54:59,920 --> 00:54:56,980
nothing on you folks to be fair so that

1143
00:55:01,839 --> 00:54:59,930
plus the fact that nobody seems to have

1144
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:01,849
ever used any of this high technology

1145
00:55:09,339 --> 00:55:06,049
means either that we don't know how to

1146
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:09,349
exploit what we found or that nothing

1147
00:55:14,859 --> 00:55:12,609
was found so you take your pick

1148
00:55:16,349 --> 00:55:14,869
yeah that's that's not that's another

1149
00:55:18,250 --> 00:55:16,359
thing that's always bothered me because

1150
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,260
you know

1151
00:55:22,270 --> 00:55:20,240
outside of Bob Lazar and I don't want to

1152
00:55:24,609 --> 00:55:22,280
have that argument I'm suffering it's a

1153
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:24,619
fraud be honest with you but I mean

1154
00:55:29,620 --> 00:55:26,930
outside Bob Lazar I mean you would think

1155
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:29,630
by this point hundreds of thousands I

1156
00:55:33,370 --> 00:55:31,850
mean it's not I mean over 70 years I

1157
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:33,380
mean some of these R&D projects they

1158
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,450
have a very high turnover rate in terms

1159
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:37,760
of people who work on it you would think

1160
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:39,830
that DNA by this point hundreds of

1161
00:55:43,330 --> 00:55:41,810
thousands if not millions have worked on

1162
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:43,340
this by now and there hasn't been one

1163
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,410
guy who's come out say you know they

1164
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:47,359
gave me this stuff and we couldn't even

1165
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,890
I mean the elements aren't even on the

1166
00:55:53,470 --> 00:55:51,200
charts and you know that kind of stuff

1167
00:55:55,780 --> 00:55:53,480
isotope it ratio is wrong for earth I

1168
00:55:58,599 --> 00:55:55,790
mean yeah there hasn't been that guy yet

1169
00:56:01,390 --> 00:55:58,609
you know what I mean I do I know I know

1170
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:01,400
I agree with you all the way interesting

1171
00:56:07,630 --> 00:56:04,310
well hey Ryan thanks a lot okay thanks a

1172
00:56:09,310 --> 00:56:07,640
lot all right and stay safe okay okay

1173
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:09,320
all right we have a we have another

1174
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:10,970
caller on the line your first name where

1175
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:13,090
are you calling from

1176
00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:15,920
Kenny I'm calling from Florida Cape

1177
00:56:21,220 --> 00:56:16,700
Coral Florida

1178
00:56:24,970 --> 00:56:21,230
hi Kenny welcome to the show thanks you

1179
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:24,980
have a question for our guest or I did I

1180
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:26,770
it was a very enlightening conversation

1181
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:32,710
you had this is a little off-topic okay

1182
00:56:42,820 --> 00:56:37,670
okay well I had witnessed over the gulf

1183
00:56:47,099 --> 00:56:42,830
ocean a couple weeks ago actually I want

1184
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:47,109
to call a UFO unidentified flying object

1185
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:51,890
spacecraft was what I'm thinking this

1186
00:56:57,070 --> 00:56:54,650
this vehicle had moved horizontal

1187
00:56:59,380 --> 00:56:57,080
vertical and in such a manner that I

1188
00:57:01,359 --> 00:56:59,390
have never seen that I I don't think

1189
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:01,369
would be possible any aircraft that we

1190
00:57:10,180 --> 00:57:07,490
have today this thing was making a loud

1191
00:57:11,050 --> 00:57:10,190
like a brass section I mean it was a

1192
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:11,060
horn

1193
00:57:20,859 --> 00:57:18,770
probably whatever it was being powered

1194
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:20,869
by that was probably what it was and it

1195
00:57:30,370 --> 00:57:25,670
left a triton neon triangle in the sky

1196
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:30,380
was throwing greens and orange plasma I

1197
00:57:32,260 --> 00:57:31,790
don't know what you want to call it it

1198
00:57:35,380 --> 00:57:32,270
was

1199
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:35,390
something out of this world were you

1200
00:57:39,970 --> 00:57:38,330
witness yes go on

1201
00:57:41,950 --> 00:57:39,980
I was just saying we witnessing this

1202
00:57:46,990 --> 00:57:41,960
alone or did you have other people with

1203
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,000
you you have other people with me you

1204
00:57:53,470 --> 00:57:49,520
didn't I'm sorry you did or you did not

1205
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:53,480
I did sir and have you reported this to

1206
00:57:59,920 --> 00:57:56,960
any like MUFON or or any other I have I

1207
00:58:04,110 --> 00:57:59,930
have I did up today I did recently today

1208
00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:04,120
I called the national UFO whatever in

1209
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:06,830
Washington yeah Peter doesn't like

1210
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:08,810
you're saying yeah and I gave him a

1211
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:13,040
report and I was talking to other US

1212
00:58:16,540 --> 00:58:14,450
biologists and they're telling me

1213
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:16,550
they're basically just gonna file that

1214
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:17,810
they're telling me they're gonna tell

1215
00:58:22,450 --> 00:58:20,960
the world and from that post it and he's

1216
00:58:24,850 --> 00:58:22,460
telling me they're just gonna file it I

1217
00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:24,860
even called a non-emergency number over

1218
00:58:29,710 --> 00:58:27,470
at the police department here and kind

1219
00:58:32,890 --> 00:58:29,720
of just talked to a private investigator

1220
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:32,900
about it was kind of laughing about the

1221
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:35,570
whole situation so I don't know how to

1222
00:58:39,460 --> 00:58:39,050
take this where to take those yeah where

1223
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:39,470
I'm at

1224
00:58:44,290 --> 00:58:42,590
okay I'm sorry we have a caller that

1225
00:58:47,350 --> 00:58:44,300
just called in and there's some

1226
00:58:53,050 --> 00:58:47,360
background noise so I'm probably gonna

1227
00:58:54,250 --> 00:58:53,060
have to hang that up okay it's quieted

1228
00:58:58,210 --> 00:58:54,260
down a bit all right

1229
00:59:00,340 --> 00:58:58,220
so James do you have anything to add to

1230
00:59:03,130 --> 00:59:00,350
this sighting I mean he sounds like he's

1231
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:03,140
doing the right thing reporting it yeah

1232
00:59:06,670 --> 00:59:04,610
I think I think Kenny you're doing

1233
00:59:11,020 --> 00:59:06,680
exactly the right thing in reporting it

1234
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:11,030
but there are so many of these incidents

1235
00:59:17,590 --> 00:59:15,650
that it's almost impossible for the UFO

1236
00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:17,600
organizations to investigate every

1237
00:59:21,490 --> 00:59:19,790
single one and this one sounds

1238
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:21,500
fascinating and in green and orange

1239
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:24,710
lights a triangle in the sky but the

1240
00:59:30,370 --> 00:59:27,290
most interesting aspect of it is the

1241
00:59:33,210 --> 00:59:30,380
noise because yes very unusual I'll say

1242
00:59:37,810 --> 00:59:33,220
yeah I've never heard that one good okay

1243
00:59:39,790 --> 00:59:37,820
all right well thanks for the call all

1244
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:39,800
right so we have a caller another caller

1245
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:41,090
in the line can you say your first name

1246
00:59:43,390 --> 00:59:42,170
where you're calling from you have some

1247
00:59:45,759 --> 00:59:43,400
background noise going on

1248
00:59:48,970 --> 00:59:45,769
yeah I'm sorry I'm not work my name's

1249
00:59:53,289 --> 00:59:48,980
Joey what are you working in a machine

1250
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:53,299
shop or something city a thin wood plant

1251
00:59:58,359 --> 00:59:56,240
I built for oh wow okay it sounds like

1252
01:00:00,279 --> 00:59:58,369
you're building Ford's all right so you

1253
01:00:03,970 --> 01:00:00,289
have a brush you have a question for our

1254
01:00:10,749 --> 01:00:03,980
guest tonight yes I do I'm actually an

1255
01:00:13,809 --> 01:00:10,759
aviation by trade I know how big mylar

1256
01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:13,819
is and you know during Roswell they were

1257
01:00:17,259 --> 01:00:15,140
trying to say that it was bailar

1258
01:00:18,849 --> 01:00:17,269
balloons no matter how big a mylar

1259
01:00:22,509 --> 01:00:18,859
balloon is you can actually fold that

1260
01:00:26,589 --> 01:00:22,519
down very small my question is why would

1261
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:26,599
they need a flatbed for that no it's

1262
01:00:31,059 --> 01:00:29,089
really well yeah yeah Joey that's

1263
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:31,069
everybody's question about it I think

1264
01:00:35,499 --> 01:00:32,930
why would you need a flatbed for

1265
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:35,509
anything like a balloon and why would

1266
01:00:40,029 --> 01:00:37,369
you talk about it crashing I mean

1267
01:00:42,489 --> 01:00:40,039
balloons collapse in pieces and they

1268
01:00:45,370 --> 01:00:42,499
fall to the earth in little pieces after

1269
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:45,380
they've exploded this this needed a big

1270
01:00:50,739 --> 01:00:47,569
truck to bring bring it in and Jesse

1271
01:00:52,690 --> 01:00:50,749
Marcel actually was so impressed that he

1272
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:52,700
took pieces back to show his wife and

1273
01:01:10,359 --> 01:00:55,430
children before he took them to the base

1274
01:01:12,670 --> 01:01:10,369
commander the guys name is he made I

1275
01:01:24,759 --> 01:01:12,680
know what I call documentary oh yeah

1276
01:01:29,410 --> 01:01:24,769
James and you guys had a guy's Hall in

1277
01:01:32,170 --> 01:01:29,420
and said that Oren hopes recording that

1278
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:32,180
he did his voice recording but he never

1279
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:34,249
said anything about lights coming at him

1280
01:01:49,210 --> 01:01:35,599
or anything like that and he clearly

1281
01:01:52,269 --> 01:01:49,220
does I don't remember that call yeah

1282
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:52,279
interest I did I did have another

1283
01:01:56,829 --> 01:01:55,249
question though about I know you thought

1284
01:01:57,130 --> 01:01:56,839
he touched a little bit about didn't

1285
01:01:59,640 --> 01:01:57,140
walk

1286
01:02:06,430 --> 01:01:59,650
yeah I've been listening to a lot of

1287
01:02:08,290 --> 01:02:06,440
Navajo talk on this particular subject I

1288
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,300
just kind of want to know what both you

1289
01:02:14,340 --> 01:02:10,640
guys think about it and what do you

1290
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:14,350
think is actually going on out there

1291
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:17,030
that's a thanks for the question I don't

1292
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:19,490
know I don't know exactly probably good

1293
01:02:25,690 --> 01:02:21,920
if you would why don't we you can listen

1294
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:25,700
to that off air if you I mean off all

1295
01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:26,090
right

1296
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:27,710
just a little background noise there but

1297
01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:31,450
thank you for the call all right so

1298
01:02:37,390 --> 01:02:33,710
skinwalker ranch what do you think is

1299
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:37,400
going up in there I don't think anyone

1300
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:42,050
really knows no they don't there are

1301
01:02:47,710 --> 01:02:45,440
there's this there's a huge fascinating

1302
01:02:49,330 --> 01:02:47,720
body of information about what goes on

1303
01:02:51,070 --> 01:02:49,340
in these sorts of regions we were

1304
01:02:54,370 --> 01:02:51,080
talking about Rendlesham in the Norfolk

1305
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:54,380
area and the amount of paranormal

1306
01:02:59,560 --> 01:02:56,330
activity there appears to be going on

1307
01:03:02,020 --> 01:02:59,570
the same thing the skinwalker ranch and

1308
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:02,030
I mean twenty two million dollars is a

1309
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:03,410
lot of money to spend on an

1310
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:06,530
investigation and not report anything at

1311
01:03:11,110 --> 01:03:08,930
the end of it so I don't know where of

1312
01:03:13,060 --> 01:03:11,120
time there were a hundred according to

1313
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:13,070
Jeremy Korbel last week I had him on

1314
01:03:19,090 --> 01:03:16,370
last week and there were supposedly a

1315
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:19,100
hundred believe he said 144 incidences

1316
01:03:25,630 --> 01:03:23,200
that were reported on yep I mean that's

1317
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:25,640
that's incredible isn't it it is

1318
01:03:29,860 --> 01:03:28,010
incredible but not for the span you know

1319
01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:29,870
of the years that they were there I mean

1320
01:03:35,650 --> 01:03:32,740
there was a lot of idle time but and and

1321
01:03:37,870 --> 01:03:35,660
and things are happening there again but

1322
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:37,880
there are a lot of periods of time where

1323
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:40,010
nothing happens at all which is kind of

1324
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:43,310
frustrating it's frustrating the whole

1325
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:46,550
UFO phenomena is frustrating as well you

1326
01:03:53,230 --> 01:03:50,210
know you're talking about two two

1327
01:03:56,770 --> 01:03:53,240
objects a see for every 10 million

1328
01:03:59,350 --> 01:03:56,780
people for every year as far as we can

1329
01:04:02,020 --> 01:03:59,360
calculate and the and but that still

1330
01:04:05,490 --> 01:04:02,030
builds up we're talking globally of

1331
01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:05,500
something like a hundred million

1332
01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:07,720
sightings since

1333
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:10,390
the turn of this century well that's

1334
01:04:17,460 --> 01:04:10,960
something

1335
01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:17,470
going to be pretty inexplicable they

1336
01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:19,630
come into the sort of two to five

1337
01:04:29,310 --> 01:04:25,150
percent areas now what I'm I'm also a

1338
01:04:31,950 --> 01:04:29,320
big science fan and I look at I'm I read

1339
01:04:35,099 --> 01:04:31,960
scientific America and I read nature the

1340
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:35,109
British Journal science and so on and

1341
01:04:38,310 --> 01:04:36,640
one of the things that appears to be

1342
01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:38,320
happening in science at the moment is

1343
01:04:43,830 --> 01:04:39,640
that things are getting weirder and

1344
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:43,840
weirder you you talk about you know it's

1345
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:45,730
okay talking about standard science

1346
01:04:49,859 --> 01:04:47,410
where things are predictable

1347
01:04:52,770 --> 01:04:49,869
that's Newtonian but once you get into

1348
01:04:55,050 --> 01:04:52,780
Einstein Ian and quantum science then

1349
01:05:00,300 --> 01:04:55,060
nothing is predictable and nothing is

1350
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:00,310
real the your the very nature of your

1351
01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:06,550
body is actually just pure energy and if

1352
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:09,430
that's true and well it is true but but

1353
01:05:15,810 --> 01:05:12,730
if that has any relevance to what is

1354
01:05:17,609 --> 01:05:15,820
happening in quantum physics where

1355
01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:17,619
particles can exist in more than one

1356
01:05:22,410 --> 01:05:19,750
place at the same time where they can

1357
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:22,420
travel they can communicate faster than

1358
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:25,359
the speed of light and and that sort of

1359
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:28,720
thing we're very much in the infancy of

1360
01:05:34,109 --> 01:05:31,270
our investigations into it but if that's

1361
01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:34,119
true then I wouldn't put anything out of

1362
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:37,089
the window as far as strange events at

1363
01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:39,970
Rendlesham or the skinwalker ranch are

1364
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:42,430
concerned right no I agree with you

1365
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:45,190
science has or at least people are

1366
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:47,890
exploring so many different things you

1367
01:05:53,609 --> 01:05:49,930
know quantum entanglement that's really

1368
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:53,619
bizarre situation I can't remember

1369
01:06:00,300 --> 01:05:57,000
exactly what it's called when they were

1370
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:00,310
they were shooting particles through

1371
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:03,910
gold and and it seemed to an observer

1372
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:05,770
seem to make a difference

1373
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:08,290
observers to make a difference yeah yeah

1374
01:06:12,270 --> 01:06:10,720
I mean that that is just you know it

1375
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:12,280
doesn't make any sense and then there's

1376
01:06:21,140 --> 01:06:16,770
string theory there's the multiverse

1377
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:21,150
theory you know well all that it's it's

1378
01:06:25,609 --> 01:06:23,220
a lot of these are just theories but

1379
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:25,619
maybe there is something to it maybe

1380
01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:27,930
maybe there is some type of relationship

1381
01:06:34,730 --> 01:06:32,099
to to everything that's right you see if

1382
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:34,740
there is a if if and it is a big if of

1383
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:37,650
course if the multiverse theories are

1384
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:39,210
correct and there's a certain amount of

1385
01:06:46,220 --> 01:06:41,970
evidence so far which which shows that

1386
01:06:49,250 --> 01:06:46,230
it could be and mathematically we know

1387
01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:49,260
that it's possible if that's the case

1388
01:06:55,210 --> 01:06:52,710
then why is would it necessarily be

1389
01:06:59,150 --> 01:06:55,220
impossible for things to slip between

1390
01:07:02,870 --> 01:06:59,160
the two dimensions or two different

1391
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:02,880
universes in certain places maybe there

1392
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:06,510
are weaknesses wormholes inconsistencies

1393
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:10,410
in space-time that allow objects or

1394
01:07:16,099 --> 01:07:12,450
bodies to come through and then go back

1395
01:07:20,539 --> 01:07:16,109
again so we see them as ghosts or aliens

1396
01:07:23,450 --> 01:07:20,549
or even spaceships yeah yeah yeah it's

1397
01:07:25,220 --> 01:07:23,460
all fascinating and I've mentioned a

1398
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:25,230
number of times you know if we are being

1399
01:07:31,730 --> 01:07:29,010
visited then then basically why why are

1400
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:31,740
we being observed if there's so much

1401
01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:33,690
life out there and there I would guess

1402
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:35,670
you know I think a lot of people are

1403
01:07:40,730 --> 01:07:37,770
guessing again it's a guess but that

1404
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:40,740
there's most likely a lot a lot of

1405
01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:42,089
intelligent life out there

1406
01:07:48,049 --> 01:07:44,700
these statistically speaking it seems

1407
01:07:50,660 --> 01:07:48,059
like that would be so yeah yeah you can

1408
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:50,670
do back at the envelope work and and and

1409
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,579
you can make assumptions like well for

1410
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:55,680
example one if you said that one in

1411
01:08:02,690 --> 01:07:59,760
every million planets has developed some

1412
01:08:05,299 --> 01:08:02,700
sort of microbial life and one in every

1413
01:08:08,359 --> 01:08:05,309
million of those develops something in

1414
01:08:11,210 --> 01:08:08,369
the order of rabbits and cats and dogs

1415
01:08:14,029 --> 01:08:11,220
and so on and one in every million of

1416
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:14,039
those develop sentient life like you

1417
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:16,920
beings and then one in a million of

1418
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:20,190
those develops advanced sentient life

1419
01:08:26,419 --> 01:08:22,890
you are still talking about something

1420
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:26,429
like a trillion planets out there that

1421
01:08:34,599 --> 01:08:30,089
could support advanced life mate how

1422
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:34,609
that's yeah unbelievable yeah

1423
01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:36,650
you know everything we know is on this

1424
01:08:43,870 --> 01:08:39,190
planet you know like that famous

1425
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:43,880
statement that Carl Sagan says you know

1426
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:46,880
every tear ever cried every I forget

1427
01:08:51,849 --> 01:08:49,370
exactly how it goes but every poet every

1428
01:08:54,790 --> 01:08:51,859
murderer every all on that little blue

1429
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:54,800
marble so it's like everything is here

1430
01:09:00,490 --> 01:08:58,010
and you just wonder how many parallels

1431
01:09:03,250 --> 01:09:00,500
there are two other intelligent life

1432
01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:03,260
like what's the equivalent of first kiss

1433
01:09:07,090 --> 01:09:05,630
or a first car or whatever you know it's

1434
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:07,100
it's really fascinating if you really

1435
01:09:15,190 --> 01:09:12,310
think about it like it's happened yeah

1436
01:09:17,770 --> 01:09:15,200
all of this stuff so the line is open if

1437
01:09:21,070 --> 01:09:17,780
it wants to call in that numbers post it

1438
01:09:24,370 --> 01:09:21,080
up on YouTube and if you're in kgr a

1439
01:09:28,990 --> 01:09:24,380
radio that number again live only six oh

1440
01:09:32,380 --> 01:09:29,000
three nine six seven four OH three oh so

1441
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:32,390
what other story in your book did you

1442
01:09:37,870 --> 01:09:34,810
find was you mentioned bras well and

1443
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:37,880
Rendlesham is the two right up at the

1444
01:09:45,610 --> 01:09:40,880
top one other ones up did you really get

1445
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:45,620
into and explore oh there were quite a

1446
01:09:50,260 --> 01:09:47,690
lot but I suppose the one that

1447
01:09:51,970 --> 01:09:50,270
fascinated me and sort of pulled the

1448
01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:51,980
heartstrings a bit was the Lonnie Zamora

1449
01:09:59,950 --> 01:09:56,270
okay it's back in 64 Sakura yeah yeah

1450
01:10:03,760 --> 01:09:59,960
Sakura I think the circumstances of that

1451
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:03,770
case are again extremely credible and

1452
01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:07,490
believable he have policemen who all his

1453
01:10:11,710 --> 01:10:09,260
colleagues say it's one of the most

1454
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:11,720
straightforward and all these guys they

1455
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:15,890
ever knew who you know just got called

1456
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:18,890
out from the from his chase to

1457
01:10:24,460 --> 01:10:21,110
investigate what he thought was an

1458
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:24,470
explosion and sees two people or two

1459
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:27,110
apparent people and an object in the

1460
01:10:33,340 --> 01:10:30,890
desert now that of course you know that

1461
01:10:35,530 --> 01:10:33,350
moment that fraction of a second in time

1462
01:10:37,330 --> 01:10:35,540
that he saw those people before they

1463
01:10:39,970 --> 01:10:37,340
disappeared as he was walking down to

1464
01:10:42,250 --> 01:10:39,980
get closer to them changed his life

1465
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:42,260
forever right and that's one of the

1466
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:44,510
things I think that is most interesting

1467
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:47,110
about the

1468
01:10:53,459 --> 01:10:50,590
the big UFO cases the ones that stick in

1469
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:53,469
the memory yeah yeah that's I've talked

1470
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:55,270
to half head race race Stanford on many

1471
01:10:59,729 --> 01:10:57,850
times I know him pretty well and he was

1472
01:11:01,680 --> 01:10:59,739
there right afterwards and really

1473
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:01,690
thought a lot of Lonnie and so did

1474
01:11:06,570 --> 01:11:04,090
everyone else dr. J Allen Hynek everyone

1475
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,580
so we have what we can get back to that

1476
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:08,320
case in just a second here we have

1477
01:11:11,850 --> 01:11:10,690
someone that called in a caller what's

1478
01:11:17,879 --> 01:11:11,860
your first name and where you're calling

1479
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:17,889
from hey Bobby are you safe yeah man I'm

1480
01:11:21,209 --> 01:11:19,449
in Central North Carolina so I'm good

1481
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:21,219
but there's a chance we might get 10 or

1482
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:22,810
more inches of rain so I'm more worried

1483
01:11:27,660 --> 01:11:25,090
about that Wow hidden that I'm not near

1484
01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:27,670
the coast that happens

1485
01:11:32,669 --> 01:11:31,060
yeah yeah I got governments less cities

1486
01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:32,679
and food flashlights all that so we're

1487
01:11:38,609 --> 01:11:37,300
good when we're at the conference what

1488
01:11:41,790 --> 01:11:38,619
five six years ago we're talking to

1489
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:41,800
Timothy good he had mentioned that he'd

1490
01:11:45,780 --> 01:11:43,330
actually seen when the triangle craft

1491
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:45,790
that's similar than what was seen at

1492
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:48,250
Rendlesham at that time that time period

1493
01:11:54,030 --> 01:11:52,510
that he tried to speak to Kevin Randle

1494
01:11:55,770 --> 01:11:54,040
or whoever else was writing the book of

1495
01:11:57,020 --> 01:11:55,780
not in time they said they just kind of

1496
01:12:00,330 --> 01:11:57,030
blew him off they weren't interested

1497
01:12:01,709 --> 01:12:00,340
that's it we were out to dinner with him

1498
01:12:06,570 --> 01:12:01,719
right is that when he talked about that

1499
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:06,580
yeah yeah I remember that yeah right

1500
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:07,570
right

1501
01:12:14,370 --> 01:12:10,090
huh that's interesting I forgotten all

1502
01:12:21,419 --> 01:12:14,380
about that so I just when I got out

1503
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:21,429
earlier at work you're in a machine shop

1504
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:31,600
aren't you yeah so yeah there there were

1505
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:36,010
I wondered about that I I never was a

1506
01:12:41,609 --> 01:12:39,250
Kevin Randle he contacted you said no it

1507
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:41,619
was no it was it was Timothy good had

1508
01:12:47,129 --> 01:12:45,040
had the visual sighting right yes he

1509
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:47,139
tried to he tried to concentrate yeah I

1510
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:48,489
think it was Kevin Rabbit

1511
01:12:52,530 --> 01:12:51,040
yeah but I don't recall yeah so that was

1512
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:52,540
pretty interesting and then talking

1513
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:57,010
about the socorro case oh god I came to

1514
01:13:01,050 --> 01:12:59,199
this in race race answer they actually

1515
01:13:03,210 --> 01:13:01,060
have some extra pictures that he took em

1516
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:03,220
range and actually had similar craft in

1517
01:13:07,620 --> 01:13:04,560
those pictures you didn't mention that

1518
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:07,630
yes that is something that I actually

1519
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:10,000
saw with my own eyes and I a lot of

1520
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,370
people get frustrated pardon me a lot of

1521
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:14,560
people get frustrated because rate does

1522
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:17,050
not want to share those pictures but I

1523
01:13:23,790 --> 01:13:20,410
actually saw that with my own eyes

1524
01:13:25,470 --> 01:13:23,800
and that was the most fascinating thing

1525
01:13:28,620 --> 01:13:25,480
I've ever seen actually when it comes to

1526
01:13:31,290 --> 01:13:28,630
UFOs because it looked like it looked

1527
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:31,300
less like the craft that was described

1528
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:33,850
by Lonnie some more it looked like an

1529
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:37,630
egg shot egg shaped and with uh with

1530
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:39,730
some type of landing gear sticking down

1531
01:13:44,670 --> 01:13:42,130
and it was very very clear in the

1532
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:44,680
picture and the only way he saw it is

1533
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:47,410
when he blew up when he magnified the

1534
01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:48,970
photo you couldn't see it in the regular

1535
01:13:54,450 --> 01:13:51,400
sized photo and once he blew it up he

1536
01:13:57,180 --> 01:13:54,460
saw something and so he put it under an

1537
01:13:58,920 --> 01:13:57,190
enlarger I guess and blew up the photo

1538
01:14:01,680 --> 01:13:58,930
and actually you can see it as clear as

1539
01:14:03,710 --> 01:14:01,690
clear as day it's really amazing okay

1540
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:03,720
look let me get back to my machine

1541
01:14:07,230 --> 01:14:06,190
really interesting guess in a great show

1542
01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:07,240
I can't wait to listen the whole thing

1543
01:14:14,460 --> 01:14:10,990
all right Bobby thanks a lot thank you

1544
01:14:17,250 --> 01:14:14,470
yeah so the how that particular photo

1545
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:17,260
was taken by Ray Stanford was he was

1546
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,570
back he went back to the site the

1547
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:22,000
Socorro site a several days I want to

1548
01:14:26,850 --> 01:14:24,400
say I don't know if Ray's list sometimes

1549
01:14:30,930 --> 01:14:26,860
he listens to the show he can call in

1550
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:30,940
and correct me if I'm wrong but he went

1551
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:33,490
I think he said 124 days later or

1552
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:36,070
something like that it was just time had

1553
01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:37,600
gone by and he went back to get

1554
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:40,300
perspective of the dynamite shack with

1555
01:14:44,910 --> 01:14:43,330
the background and had his rent stand

1556
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:44,920
over by the dynamite Shack and he took

1557
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:48,880
this picture and never you know put it

1558
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:50,530
away never thought much about it and he

1559
01:14:54,510 --> 01:14:51,760
was going through different things and

1560
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:54,520
and he went through and saw that picture

1561
01:14:58,410 --> 01:14:57,250
and then he saw a little dot in the

1562
01:15:01,530 --> 01:14:58,420
background and that's what made him

1563
01:15:03,330 --> 01:15:01,540
decide to enlarge it and it's pretty

1564
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:03,340
amazing why would that be there exactly

1565
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:06,490
then when he came back randomly you know

1566
01:15:12,030 --> 01:15:10,000
several days later as an episode it is

1567
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:12,040
bizarre I think these things these

1568
01:15:16,670 --> 01:15:13,290
things just tend

1569
01:15:18,620 --> 01:15:16,680
to happen and it's one of those things

1570
01:15:20,210 --> 01:15:18,630
that I always think actually that there

1571
01:15:24,260 --> 01:15:20,220
are because I have very poor eyesight

1572
01:15:25,850 --> 01:15:24,270
I've got incredibly badly and the the

1573
01:15:29,570 --> 01:15:25,860
problem for me is that even though I

1574
01:15:31,550 --> 01:15:29,580
would might want to see a UFO I'm highly

1575
01:15:34,130 --> 01:15:31,560
unlikely to ever have the visual acuity

1576
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:34,140
to be able to see one and I think that

1577
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:38,130
what happens is that people you know

1578
01:15:42,740 --> 01:15:40,110
what it's like you can you can lead your

1579
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:42,750
life without ever looking up you can

1580
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:44,550
leave your life without even noticing

1581
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:48,330
aircraft in the sky and there are

1582
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:51,510
thousands of things that we we do we

1583
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:54,210
don't notice things so I think a lot of

1584
01:16:00,770 --> 01:15:57,570
the time things may be in view they may

1585
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:00,780
be in shot but unless you're thinking in

1586
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:02,370
that sort of way unless you're ray

1587
01:16:08,510 --> 01:16:05,760
Sampat unless you're you know a youth

1588
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:08,520
UFO investigator you don't necessarily

1589
01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:11,010
think to blow it up or wonder what that

1590
01:16:16,010 --> 01:16:13,320
speck is because most of us just assume

1591
01:16:19,550 --> 01:16:16,020
it's dust on the lens or something right

1592
01:16:21,170 --> 01:16:19,560
yeah exactly and you know you make it

1593
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:21,180
you'd make a very good point you know a

1594
01:16:26,990 --> 01:16:23,670
lot of people are glued to their

1595
01:16:31,130 --> 01:16:27,000
smartphones today and not looking up you

1596
01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:31,140
know I mean and I I think that is you

1597
01:16:34,670 --> 01:16:32,940
know there's possibly things going on

1598
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:34,680
that people don't even see you know it

1599
01:16:39,740 --> 01:16:37,170
very well could happen yeah I mean

1600
01:16:43,670 --> 01:16:39,750
you've kinda mcroberts back in what was

1601
01:16:45,770 --> 01:16:43,680
it 1981 the girl who who saw who took a

1602
01:16:47,810 --> 01:16:45,780
photograph of a mountain when she was

1603
01:16:50,210 --> 01:16:47,820
with her family on holiday and when she

1604
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:50,220
blew it up there was an object very very

1605
01:16:54,230 --> 01:16:52,050
clearly in view but they didn't see it

1606
01:16:55,940 --> 01:16:54,240
at the time it was only when they got

1607
01:16:57,650 --> 01:16:55,950
the photographs back and had him

1608
01:17:00,080 --> 01:16:57,660
developed that they they were able to

1609
01:17:03,530 --> 01:17:00,090
see that it was a it was a saucer-shaped

1610
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:03,540
object yeah a lot of times that will

1611
01:17:09,380 --> 01:17:06,930
happen and sometimes even birds will

1612
01:17:12,050 --> 01:17:09,390
look like you know they'll be a certain

1613
01:17:13,790 --> 01:17:12,060
angle and they'll even they'll even look

1614
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:13,800
like something and someone catches that

1615
01:17:21,620 --> 01:17:16,800
so sometimes an insect you know I don't

1616
01:17:23,660 --> 01:17:21,630
know about that particular one but there

1617
01:17:25,670 --> 01:17:23,670
are a lot of people do take photographs

1618
01:17:26,620 --> 01:17:25,680
and see something after which is really

1619
01:17:30,230 --> 01:17:26,630
something

1620
01:17:32,330 --> 01:17:30,240
yes yeah so we have a line open if

1621
01:17:36,050 --> 01:17:32,340
anyone wants to call it and that number

1622
01:17:37,460 --> 01:17:36,060
is up on the screen we have about looks

1623
01:17:41,630 --> 01:17:37,470
like we got about seven or eight minutes

1624
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:41,640
left to the show and so that particular

1625
01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:44,250
case you were talking about Socorro of

1626
01:17:51,860 --> 01:17:49,110
course and it really is you know the

1627
01:17:54,530 --> 01:17:51,870
observer Lani some more I think is what

1628
01:17:57,260 --> 01:17:54,540
gives that that case and how it should

1629
01:17:59,470 --> 01:17:57,270
come up so much and it was the last

1630
01:18:03,800 --> 01:17:59,480
thing in the world he wanted in his life

1631
01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:03,810
basically yes I feel I said to somebody

1632
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:06,060
else on a show on a show a few months

1633
01:18:12,380 --> 01:18:09,090
ago that of all the people that I've

1634
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,390
come across figuratively speaking anyway

1635
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:14,880
in my research Nori's amor is the one I

1636
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:17,250
feel most sorry for yeah because I feel

1637
01:18:27,380 --> 01:18:22,530
that he suffered more than most and this

1638
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:27,390
sort of ridicule and disbelief and

1639
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:33,090
pillory it's necessary if people think

1640
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:35,130
they've seen something and they tell you

1641
01:18:39,770 --> 01:18:37,650
honestly and openly what they've seen we

1642
01:18:43,190 --> 01:18:39,780
should take them at their word and okay

1643
01:18:46,670 --> 01:18:43,200
it may need investigating but it's it's

1644
01:18:48,940 --> 01:18:46,680
a valid sighting by a human being who

1645
01:18:51,050 --> 01:18:48,950
thinks they've they've had a sighting

1646
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:51,060
when we first started the show you

1647
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:55,440
mentioned kind of the the start of this

1648
01:18:58,880 --> 01:18:56,730
book we're thinking about writing the

1649
01:19:00,530 --> 01:18:58,890
book yours at a dinner party or dinner

1650
01:19:03,470 --> 01:19:00,540
table with some guests and you brought

1651
01:19:07,550 --> 01:19:03,480
up the conversation about UFOs have any

1652
01:19:10,820 --> 01:19:07,560
of those friends have any of them read

1653
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:10,830
your book well as far as I know all of

1654
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,010
them have I get I can't regulate

1655
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:17,280
contacts from them asking about specific

1656
01:19:21,410 --> 01:19:20,010
things that I've said or saying that I

1657
01:19:24,890 --> 01:19:21,420
shouldn't have done that or I should

1658
01:19:26,330 --> 01:19:24,900
have done this or whatever and asking

1659
01:19:30,290 --> 01:19:26,340
you know what what you two is gonna be

1660
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:30,300
like and all that but it's um this is

1661
01:19:34,940 --> 01:19:32,610
another thing that is strange about it

1662
01:19:36,110 --> 01:19:34,950
as long as people have open minds and

1663
01:19:39,070 --> 01:19:36,120
that's all I ask

1664
01:19:41,950 --> 01:19:39,080
is that people just have an open mind

1665
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:41,960
about what is out there and that means

1666
01:19:45,730 --> 01:19:44,210
not just UFOs but all the other things

1667
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:45,740
that are associated with it and the

1668
01:19:52,260 --> 01:19:49,970
paranormal it's it's good to start with

1669
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:52,270
the local mind and think about it

1670
01:19:58,720 --> 01:19:55,550
without fear because it is the fear of

1671
01:20:00,580 --> 01:19:58,730
of being ridiculed that stops most

1672
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:00,590
people from even admitting that they've

1673
01:20:07,570 --> 01:20:04,250
seen something have you have you had any

1674
01:20:11,980 --> 01:20:07,580
ridicule since by any of them or their

1675
01:20:15,340 --> 01:20:11,990
there basically no I'm amazed I'm amazed

1676
01:20:18,190 --> 01:20:15,350
to say if I haven't I've had one or two

1677
01:20:21,340 --> 01:20:18,200
Snickers and smirks when I first openly

1678
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:21,350
to subject but I was talking to a group

1679
01:20:28,750 --> 01:20:25,730
of people at a local hall about three

1680
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:28,760
weeks ago and in the audience there were

1681
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:33,440
probably 200 people one of them one of

1682
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:37,760
them didn't it was vociferous lapentti

1683
01:20:44,050 --> 01:20:40,730
the whole idea of things and the reason

1684
01:20:50,590 --> 01:20:44,060
I found out afterwards was that he was

1685
01:20:53,710 --> 01:20:50,600
very very religious and I could not get

1686
01:20:56,860 --> 01:20:53,720
him to admit that that the subjects

1687
01:20:57,310 --> 01:20:56,870
could coexist quite happily oh we have a

1688
01:21:02,530 --> 01:20:57,320
caller

1689
01:21:04,990 --> 01:21:02,540
that is really something up I think they

1690
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:05,000
can I think the Catholic Church for one

1691
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:09,050
is actually showing that it they can be

1692
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:12,410
accepted as a possibility so call her

1693
01:21:18,460 --> 01:21:15,040
your first name where you calling from

1694
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:18,470
is Ronald from Minnesota i Ronald

1695
01:21:25,810 --> 01:21:21,170
welcome to the show you have a question

1696
01:21:28,990 --> 01:21:25,820
for our guest yes I was wondering if you

1697
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:29,000
are more confused or are you more clear

1698
01:21:34,690 --> 01:21:31,970
minded about what you have seen or what

1699
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:34,700
you are witnessing with UFOs since

1700
01:21:40,210 --> 01:21:36,530
you've done your research and have

1701
01:21:42,370 --> 01:21:40,220
written a book well that's a good

1702
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:42,380
question rolled I think yes I'm more

1703
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:45,410
clear minded about it now when I started

1704
01:21:52,030 --> 01:21:49,850
I was open-minded but very skeptical and

1705
01:21:55,330 --> 01:21:52,040
when I finished

1706
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:55,340
I was open-minded and a hell of a lot

1707
01:22:00,400 --> 01:21:58,400
less skeptical about the subject there

1708
01:22:02,530 --> 01:22:00,410
is something here there's there is

1709
01:22:04,570 --> 01:22:02,540
something we've you know the book I've

1710
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:04,580
in the book I've tried to build what I

1711
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:08,000
would call an a priori case for further

1712
01:22:13,330 --> 01:22:10,490
investigation now all I'm saying is that

1713
01:22:17,140 --> 01:22:13,340
there are there is enough evidence on

1714
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:17,150
the plate now for human beings to say

1715
01:22:23,290 --> 01:22:19,310
right we need to investigate this

1716
01:22:26,230 --> 01:22:23,300
seriously and we we do tend to be very

1717
01:22:30,970 --> 01:22:26,240
blind as a species about anything that

1718
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:30,980
we fear or or wonder about and this is

1719
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:33,290
what has happened to the UFO phenomenon

1720
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:36,400
over the past 50 years I believe

1721
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:38,930
interesting yeah I think knowledge is

1722
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,570
more important than being afraid of

1723
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:43,040
something we need to know more about

1724
01:22:48,370 --> 01:22:45,290
what we are seeing what we are

1725
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:48,380
witnessing and whatever it is you know

1726
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:50,840
we need to make sure into the UFO it's

1727
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:53,600
an airplane you know whatever it is let

1728
01:22:58,900 --> 01:22:56,810
me be more clear and of course be more

1729
01:23:01,570 --> 01:22:58,910
understanding about what we are looking

1730
01:23:11,770 --> 01:23:01,580
at then the fear will go away I think

1731
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:11,780
well thank you thank you Ron all right

1732
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:14,210
so that's it for calls we won't be able

1733
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:16,210
to take any more calls because we are

1734
01:23:20,890 --> 01:23:19,330
closed in just a couple minutes here

1735
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:20,900
anyway

1736
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:24,650
so where if you can I know you have a

1737
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:26,690
website we have just two minutes left so

1738
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:28,250
we have a website can you go ahead and

1739
01:23:37,390 --> 01:23:30,530
give that out if you would yeah sure

1740
01:23:41,950 --> 01:23:37,400
it's w w James T Abbot or one word a BB

1741
01:23:43,540 --> 01:23:41,960
o TT James T Abbot dot-com is this your

1742
01:23:44,620 --> 01:23:43,550
first book that you've ever written or

1743
01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:44,630
have you written other books on

1744
01:23:50,410 --> 01:23:47,510
different topics no I've written lots of

1745
01:23:53,020 --> 01:23:50,420
books but but never on this subject most

1746
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:53,030
of my books are research books on

1747
01:23:59,080 --> 01:23:56,000
politics or business or various other

1748
01:24:01,090 --> 01:23:59,090
subjects but but never never on UFOs

1749
01:24:04,570 --> 01:24:01,100
which is why my friends are generally

1750
01:24:11,620 --> 01:24:08,590
well I'm glad you wrote it I think it's

1751
01:24:13,570 --> 01:24:11,630
up it it's it's a good book

1752
01:24:17,410 --> 01:24:13,580
you know actually just skimming through

1753
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:17,420
it we'll get into it and I'll be very

1754
01:24:23,620 --> 01:24:19,910
glad to read it and I'm glad that you

1755
01:24:24,910 --> 01:24:23,630
took this on and it's always good to one

1756
01:24:26,980 --> 01:24:24,920
of the things I like about having people

1757
01:24:30,130 --> 01:24:26,990
like you on the show is to get a

1758
01:24:32,140 --> 01:24:30,140
different perspective of what what

1759
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:32,150
people think they are seeing out there I

1760
01:24:35,950 --> 01:24:34,490
mean and I'm glad you and I agree on

1761
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:35,960
Roswell because that's something I've

1762
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:39,440
succeeded many times thanks Mazz it and

1763
01:24:42,940 --> 01:24:40,850
thanks very much for having me on the

1764
01:24:43,810 --> 01:24:42,950
show and introduce you me to so many

1765
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:43,820
nice people

1766
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:46,970
sure excellent all right so you take

1767
01:24:53,670 --> 01:24:49,760
care and I'll talk to you later

1768
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:53,680
great thank you all right yeah bye bye

1769
01:25:01,320 --> 01:24:57,170
all right everyone so that is it for the

1770
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:01,330
show and remember next week if you would

1771
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:03,650
check out our YouTube

1772
01:25:08,890 --> 01:25:06,800
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1773
01:25:10,660 --> 01:25:08,900
at Stan Freeman's house up in New

1774
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:10,670
Brunswick we're gonna be live there with

1775
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:12,530
a nice video camera and we're gonna be

1776
01:25:19,420 --> 01:25:15,530
on YouTube and you're welcome to call in

1777
01:25:22,630 --> 01:25:19,430
and you're welcome to give Stan best

1778
01:25:25,090 --> 01:25:22,640
wishes and it should be a lot of fun so

1779
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:25,100
looking forward to next week and I want

1780
01:25:27,820 --> 01:25:26,330
to thank some people that helped out

1781
01:25:30,940 --> 01:25:27,830
with a show Evan in the background

1782
01:25:34,830 --> 01:25:30,950
thanks so much Peggy for managing the

1783
01:25:37,450 --> 01:25:34,840
Facebook page race @kg are a radio and

1784
01:25:38,890 --> 01:25:37,460
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1785
01:25:39,940 --> 01:25:38,900
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1786
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:39,950
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1787
01:25:44,710 --> 01:25:42,650
and I want to thank the supporters for

1788
01:25:47,500 --> 01:25:44,720
supporting the show all right everyone